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Wolfdog91![]() trapper Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 12,291 Amite county Mississippi | Was thinking about this while looking at building the wife a home defense gun. Probably just gonna go with a shotgun. 20ga pump , add a light ,mabye a laser , keep it simple for her.Gonna be buying factory home defense ammo and stuff but again just a thought. One of the big talking points with home defense and using a rifle is over penetration,though walls and stuff possibly hitting your kid or something.... Well one of the big things about varmint bullets like VMAX's is they very rarely exist.... Just dump all their energy and explode in the target.... So aside from people who might be wearing body armor ( even then taking one pretty close will knock the wind outta someone) seems like a varmit bullet could be a decent home defense option as far as rifles go...at least in my head .. 110 vmax out of a .300blk seems like a nasty lil deal..... Thoughts ? Edit : Last edited by Wolfdog91; 06/20/24 12:54 PM. |
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Marty![]() trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 21,209 North East Kansas | Shotgun. E |
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Providence Farm![]() trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 9,267 Indiana | Originally Posted by Wolfdog91 Was thinking about this while looking at building the wife a home defense gun. Probably just gonna go with a shotgun. 20ga pump , add a light ,mabye a laser , keep it simple for her.Gonna be buying factory home defense ammo and stuff but again just a thought. One of the big talking points with home defense and using a rifle is over penetration,though walls and stuff possibly hitting your kid or something.... Well one of the big things about varmint bullets like VMAX's is they very rarely exist.... Just dump all their energy and explode in the target.... So aside from people who might be wearing body armor ( even then taking one pretty close will knock the wind outta someone) seems like a varmit bullet could be a decent home defense option as far as rifles go...at least in my head .. 110 vmax out of a .300blk seems like a nasty lil deal..... Thoughts ? What length barrel you use the 110v maz in in black out makes a huge difference. In my 8.5" it is slow enough I get 15" penetration yes the jacket core separate but core is still a nice size chunk. Now Green county uses a 16" and they come apart on him enough he won't use them for anything but a neck shot on deer. That 200fps difference makes all the difference on that bullet. Body armor = shoot at hips. Big target that won't move as much as a head, lots of bone becoming 2nday projectiles and very large arteries will cause fast blood loss. Also not going anywhere with busted hip. |
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danny clifton![]() "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 30,128 williamsburg ks | Since your woman will be alone while your working, Shoot whatever you choose a bunch. Keep things simple. When your on the verge of panic is not the time to be turning on a laser or have a dead battery. It will likely be dark if needed. Practice point and shoot at 20 feet. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) |
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Scott__aR![]() trapper Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,830 Wisconsin | 20 ga short barreled pump, #2 or #3 Buck Megapredator ... top of the food chain! |
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yotetrapper30![]() trapper Joined: May 2011 Posts: 16,847 Oakland, MS | Originally Posted by danny clifton Since your woman will be alone while your working, Shoot whatever you choose a bunch. Keep things simple. When your on the verge of panic is not the time to be turning on a laser or have a dead battery. It will likely be dark if needed. Practice point and shoot at 20 feet. That was my thought on the laser sight as well. I sure wouldn't want to have to deal with that if someone was trying to kill me. I just want to point, and shoot. One reason I keep a loaded 20 gauge in a rack above the door...no sights, just the bead. ~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~ |
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Whopper Stopper![]() trapper W Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,978 Mn | A S&W Govenor Revolver would make things uncomfortable unloading on someone across a bedroom .410/.45 ACP/.45 LC. WS |
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bucksnbears![]() trapper B Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,647 western mn | .22 mag semi handgun. swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two. |
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Lugnut![]() trapper L Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 20,308 SEPA | I keep an AR-15 handy that is loaded with .223 55 grain V-Max. I shoot way more chicken-eating fox and garden-wrecking groundhogs with it than people. But it would probably be what I grabbed if the SHTF. Eh...wot? |
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matt![]() trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 681 Webster County W.V | 20 ga shotgun. Short barrel, open choke loaded with # 4 tss. Shell holder on the stock with extra ammo. Speed drills at 30. Do it until it becomes muscle memory. Live each day as if it were your last. We know not at which hour it will come. Life is too short.Tell your loved ones each day how much you love them |
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jbyrd63![]() trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,363 Ky | Get her a body guard style revolver. Point and pull. More than likely it would be 1 maybe 2 intruders. No need for 30 round ar or 10 shot riot shot gun. Most of those type you have to be calm enough to take the safety off. Got my wife a 380 Taurus revolver. Pull the trigger only action required. The noise will deafen any one in the room anyway. |
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Macthediver![]() trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,649 La Crosse, WI | When my wife though she needed to have a gun close by when I was gone. We'd just set her duck gun out with same loads we used for duck hunting or simple trap loads. It was the gun she was most familiar with. You turn a 12ga trap load loose on someone in side a house. At that range your basically shooting a slug. Terrible awful truth about home defense. Is keeping your cool not panicking. Then have the actual ability to take action or pull the trigger if need be. Mac "Never Forget Which Way Is Up!" "Never Forget Which Way Is Up" |
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GREENCOUNTYPETE![]() trapper G Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 19,069 Green County Wisconsin | Originally Posted by Wolfdog91 Was thinking about this while looking at building the wife a home defense gun. Probably just gonna go with a shotgun. 20ga pump , add a light ,mabye a laser , keep it simple for her.Gonna be buying factory home defense ammo and stuff but again just a thought. One of the big talking points with home defense and using a rifle is over penetration,though walls and stuff possibly hitting your kid or something.... Well one of the big things about varmint bullets like VMAX's is they very rarely exist.... Just dump all their energy and explode in the target.... So aside from people who might be wearing body armor ( even then taking one pretty close will knock the wind outta someone) seems like a varmit bullet could be a decent home defense option as far as rifles go...at least in my head .. 110 vmax out of a .300blk seems like a nasty lil deal..... Thoughts ? LE has a different name for 55gr 5.56 V-max it is called T.A.P urban (tactical application police ) the urban is of course meant to not punch every trailer in the trailer park/apartment building that is what our local department uses and the reasoning of course anything that works decent will punch at least one wall the idea is the pieces don't aren't lethal when they punch the second wall if they do make it through. the 110v-max will go into a sheep's or deer's neck and not come out the other side in my testing , but it is very much dead. if they are wearing body armor then they probably thought a lot more ahead , if they thought to wear better than level 3A which 223 will punch right through, then they are a very special criminal indeed. run her on Bill Drills and failure to stop drills if your that worried about it. America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it. |
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Boone Liane![]() trapper Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,447 SD | Pretty hard to beat a shotgun under 30 yards. Especially with the right choke/load combo. Take it out to 50 pretty easily. Id be worried about varmint bullets especially on bigger guys. Dont discount the amount of lead a person can take and still be in the fight. Even if its just for an extra five seconds. Thats an eternity at danger close distances. |
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Swamp Wolf![]() trapper S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,043 South Ga - Almost Florida | 20ga youth model. Use 4s, 5s, 6s......birdshot. We're talking perp in same room with her... Thank God For Your Blessings! Resource Protection Service |
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KeithC![]() trapper K Joined: May 2009 Posts: 16,341 Champaign County, Ohio. | I know you had dogs at your parent's place. If you don't have dogs at your current place together, I suggest getting 2 protective dogs. Even with a gun, without warning that someone is approaching, a gun is pretty useless, unless you have it on you or very readily at hand. Most people fear an aggressive dog. Criminals are more deterred from breaking into a home by the presence of dogs, than even alarms. Bird shot is safest to use if you are worried about wall penetration. Hopefully your wife will never have to use the gun to defend herself, but it is best to be prepared. Somebody breaking into our home, would be unlikely to survive the process intact, because of our dogs. Keith |
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Swamp Wolf![]() trapper S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,043 South Ga - Almost Florida | I'll 2nd the dogs idea ^^^^^ My dogs know everything that's going on....at all times. And they let us know when something is around. Thank God For Your Blessings! Resource Protection Service |
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danny clifton![]() "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 30,128 williamsburg ks | In todays litigious society a dog that will wake you up is a big plus. I am not so sure about one that will attack. Its still just a dog and could easily make the wrong choice. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) |
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Yes sir![]() "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,362 Marion Kansas | Shotgun and heavy loads, people can take more than one thinks sometimes. But in all actuality 90%+ of home invasions end in one shot whether it's a hit or not. Not that u should count on that though. |
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